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Sat Mar 28

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benjd25 posted to the The Theist/Atheist Dialogs board. 11:14 AM

Disengaging at least for a little while

After my most recent post over at CF on objective / subjective, I sounded out my wife about word definitions / connotations. In general usage, did subjective imply that there had to be some kind of 'soul' as the subject? Could a mental process with [more]

Sat Mar 21

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benjd25 replied to the Christian Fools board. 10:34 PM

Re: Morality: The is-ought distinction, etc

> My wife thinks chocolate is delicious. This fact remains even when I'm asleep or even if I die before her. Therefore, chocolate is objectively delicious.

Wrong conclusion. It should be "Therefore, it is objectively true that my [more]

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benjd25 replied to the Christian Fools board. 3:39 PM

Re: Morality: The is-ought distinction, etc

>Do you really not understand what a materialist means when they say that 'I subjectively think chocolate tastes good?

But given that this preference has a physiological basis, why would a true materialist classify it as [more]

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benjd25 replied to the Christian Fools board. 3:23 PM

Re: Morality: The is-ought distinction, etc

I can go to a government agency and empirically demonstrate by looking at the legal code whether a particular action is legal or illegal. The legality of the act will remain the same even when my mind is asleep, demonstrating that it exists [more]

Fri Mar 20

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benjd25 replied to the Christian Fools board. 10:37 PM

Re: Morality: The is-ought distinction, etc

Not sure why laws have to arise by the scientific method to be considered objectively real.

You said "Empiricism, such as the scientific method, identifies objective reality." I went with what you said. [more]

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benjd25 replied to the Christian Fools board. 2:44 PM

Re: Morality: The is-ought distinction, etc

Empiricism, such as the scientific method, identifies objective reality. Consider archaeologists and anthropologists who are able to reconstruct the workings of long-dead societies. The people who created and obeyed the laws and mores of those [more]

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benjd25 replied to the Christian Fools board. 11:45 AM

Re: Morality: The is-ought distinction, etc

The issue is whether a perceived legal obligation is simply a figment of your imagination, which would be subjective, or exists independent of your mind, e.g., is objective.

No, that is not the issue. The issue is whether a [more]

Thu Mar 19

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benjd25 replied to the Christian Fools board. 6:46 PM

Re: Morality: The is-ought distinction, etc

How can I have an objective obligation to laws if laws are just words, and therefore, not real?

I don't know either, I said it was a subjective obligation.

Note that the legal obligation in this example is objective [more]

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benjd25 replied to the Christian Fools board. 10:29 AM

Re: Morality: The is-ought distinction, etc

You seem to be arguing that if someone says "you can stuff your traffic law, I don't feel like obeying it", that makes it subjective. But objective in this case would be an obligation that exists whether or not the subject knows it or [more]

Mon Mar 16

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benjd25 replied to the Humor and Urban Legends board. 6:16 PM

Re: Am I a sexist pig?

I wouldn't call you anything, but I would find your behavior unpredictable and strange if I were in another vehicle at the stop sign.

Since stopping and waiting extra doesn't hinder anyone's safety, I have no problem with [more]

Fri Mar 13

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benjd25 replied to the Christian Fools board. 2:52 AM

Re: Morality: The is-ought distinction, etc

It's not a moral obligation, but it is an objective obligation to the state. The obligation exists whether you know it or recognize it as such.


What definition of the adjective 'moral' are you using here?

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Wed Mar 11

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benjd25 replied to the Christian Fools board. 9:45 PM

Re: Morality: The is-ought distinction, etc

Adding in "nature" is not legit, somethings nature is objectively so.

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But you are flawed, and there would be no reason to base my morality on your nature, and no obligation would flow to me from your [more]

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benjd25 replied to the Christian Fools board. 4:57 PM

Re: Morality: The is-ought distinction, etc

Why would it be subjective? Do you mean they'd be based on or influenced by his personal feelings, tastes, or opinions?

Because they're based on his personal feelings, tastes, and nature. Unless you're suggesting God's morality is [more]

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benjd25 replied to the Christian Fools board. 2:31 PM

Re: Morality: The is-ought distinction, etc

If something that is objective is determined by consensus of some sort, then it cannot be objective. This is because if an individual's personal moral standard is subjective, then the same obtains for 2, 3...any number of people you collect and [more]

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benjd25 replied to the Christian Fools board. 2:27 PM

Re: Morality: The is-ought distinction, etc

Objective by consensus? Unanimity?

Consensus by the ones having the discussion.


Is anthropogenic global [warming/climate change/weather/plug in recent terminology change here] objective or [more]

Fri Mar 6

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benjd25 replied to the Atheist Fools board. 1:55 AM

Re: Christians Against Dinosaurs

I am pretty damn sure CAD is yanking everybody's chain.

That's what I thought at first, but....I don't think they are.

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Thu Mar 5

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benjd25 replied to the Christian Fools board. 10:57 AM

Re: Morality: The is-ought distinction, etc

Is a black hole objective or subjective? An imaginary number, the square root of minus one? What about love?

A black hole is as observable as anything. You observe a table by seeing the effect it has on light, which reflects off of [more]

Wed Mar 4

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benjd25 replied to the Christian Fools board. 9:29 PM

Re: Morality: The is-ought distinction, etc

After reading the whole thing a few times, the author makes morality 'objective' in the same way Sam Harris does - by assuming a particular subjective foundation and then building morality up from there.

When we identify this ultimate [more]

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benjd25 replied to the Christian Fools board. 7:01 PM

Re: Morality: The is-ought distinction, etc

A promising set of links, of which I've read the first, on the topic of whether atheists can have an objective morality. Or a natural law, perhaps?

Hmmmm....I sort of agree with the first sentence definition but definitely not with [more]

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