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1Apocalypse replied to the The Theist/Atheist Dialogs board. 9:32 AM

Re: Is all truth propositional?

Thanks for pushing, and trying to 'get it'. It helps.

My daughter is getting married in just a few hours, and this thread helped me distill a blessing for them. Here's what I hope to say, should I be able to make it through [more]

Thu Jul 3

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1Apocalypse replied to the The Theist/Atheist Dialogs board. 1:34 PM

Re: Is all truth propositional?

Yeah, you can explain blue. Love on the other hand...

All you need is blue
Don't throw your blue away
You've lost that bluin' feelin'
What the world needs now is blue
How sweet it is to be blued by you
Blue will keep us [more]

Fri Jun 27

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1Apocalypse replied to the The Theist/Atheist Dialogs board. 8:56 PM

Re: Is all truth propositional?

From what I understand, if people find out that they're 'loved' with some intentional propose... for cause (money, sex, status) that love is likely to be rejected.

No falling in love, but deliberate effort.

At least, that's [more]

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1Apocalypse replied to the The Theist/Atheist Dialogs board. 8:49 PM

Re: Is all truth propositional?

You can measure the wavelength of blue over and over and over again, and it will always be blue.

love, not so much.

Thu Jun 19

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1Apocalypse replied to the The Theist/Atheist Dialogs board. 10:00 PM

Re: Is all truth propositional?

You've often helped me out of my narrow spot. Thanks.

According to your faith, they are not. Many are willfully sinful and many are just plain evil.

Um, no. My faith tells me that they are all not just the girl in the fourth [more]

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1Apocalypse replied to the The Theist/Atheist Dialogs board. 9:53 PM

Re: Is all truth propositional?

Honestly, I'm not entirely sure. We sing about it, write poetry about it, and generally recognize it as having powerful, positive effects. It exists beyond the boundaries of geography, time, even death. Deprive human infants of it and they die. We [more]

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1Apocalypse replied to the The Theist/Atheist Dialogs board. 9:35 PM

Re: Is all truth propositional?

If I want to know the propositional truth of something, that doesn't mean I lose all love from my life.

I was unclear. Let's say that you Love me. And I don't believe you.

So I keep looking for independent lines of [more]

Sat May 31

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1Apocalypse replied to the The Theist/Atheist Dialogs board. 9:22 AM

Re: Is all truth propositional?


When it comes to the idea of love, there is no gap in knowledge that would be filled in by love being something more than an emotion / feeling existing in brains. Love being something that exists only in brains / minds doesn't lead to any
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Fri May 30

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1Apocalypse replied to the The Theist/Atheist Dialogs board. 12:55 PM

Re: Is all truth propositional?

I'm in love with the biochemical processes in my brain then.

Maybe even yours.

Awkward.

Or not, as I've learned.

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1Apocalypse replied to the The Theist/Atheist Dialogs board. 12:17 PM

Re: Is all truth propositional?

.do you think naturalism / atheism invalidates half of who we are?

Hmmm... as presented, that understanding seems to suggest that I think atheists and adherents of naturalism are self-restricted hemi-invalids.

That's more [more]

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1Apocalypse replied to the The Theist/Atheist Dialogs board. 8:06 AM

Re: Is all truth propositional?

One cannot dissect beauty and many other things, either. But these are not independent, existing things. I beat the whole math is reality to death on c v e awhile back. Math has great descriptive properties, but has no value or basis in reality [more]

Thu May 29

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1Apocalypse replied to the The Theist/Atheist Dialogs board. 7:58 PM

Re: Is all truth propositional?

Can you please elaborate?

I can elaborate.

When you wrote They are therefore not independent lines of evidence and are highly subject to interpretation. They are also unverifiable. my thoughts hadn't left the idea [more]

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1Apocalypse replied to the The Theist/Atheist Dialogs board. 1:37 PM

Re: Is all truth propositional?

I fully agree that it's not a separate thing. It's the suggested exclusion that troubles me. If I'm reading correctly, the argument goes something like "If you can't identify it scientifically; if it's not independently reproducible, then it's [more]

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1Apocalypse replied to the The Theist/Atheist Dialogs board. 12:49 PM

Re: Is all truth propositional?

They are therefore not independent lines of evidence and are highly subject to interpretation. They are also unverifiable.

I'm currently enlarging my understanding of dual brain theory, and it's utility in emotional trauma [more]

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1Apocalypse replied to the The Theist/Atheist Dialogs board. 12:32 PM

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Even with them we are nothing.

Pretty bleak, no?

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1Apocalypse replied to the The Theist/Atheist Dialogs board. 12:03 PM

Re: Is all truth propositional?

What could possibly falsify the core component of any religion?

In my personal understanding of religion...

If Love did not exist.

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1Apocalypse replied to the The Theist/Atheist Dialogs board. 8:03 AM

Re: wondering...

I shot a bird once. I have a Beeman pellet gun. Super accurate, and I'd grown tired of shooting paper targets. He flopped to the ground and other birds flew down to see what was wrong.

I ran over my cat once. He had always jumped out of the [more]

Wed May 28

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1Apocalypse replied to the The Theist/Atheist Dialogs board. 9:43 AM

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Nicely done. Wish I could be that succinct. ':æ

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1Apocalypse replied to the The Theist/Atheist Dialogs board. 7:40 AM

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The fact that independent lines of evidence point to the same answer is what compels me.

Me too. But the construct that we know as Love seems to exist mostly in the other side of my brain, beyond the reach of the tools of [more]

Tue May 27

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1Apocalypse replied to the The Theist/Atheist Dialogs board. 10:59 PM

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I bet you mean that it is impossible for us to escape the rewiring on our own

There's a recurring debate in Christendom between those who say our personal perfection is necessary (with God's help we can be rewired to Love as we [more]

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